[SystemSafety] Spanish train crash

[Chris Dale]

Thank you, Peter.

 

Surely the lesson of the Morpeth derailments is that speed limits on tight
curves need to be enforced technologically, not merely procedurally by the
imposition of speed limits.

 

According to Prof. Roger Kemp of Lancaster University, quoted by MSN, the
accident in Spain occurred on a section of ‘half completed’ track that was
still being brought up to date with the safety standards of the European
Rail Traffic Management System, which would have prevented the train from
exceeding the speed on the section of track.
http://news.uk.msn.com/world/why-spains-horror-train-crash-cant-happen-in-th
e-uk569032

 

If this is true, the driver should not be the only one under investigation.

 

Chris Dale

(also speaking for himself only)

 

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I have just one comment - "Morpeth" 1969, 1984, 1994! 

Cheers 

Peter 
(Speaking on behalf of himself only) 

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PBL wrote:

> 11. I read in the Observer (Sunday paper of the Guardian group) that the
driver
> has been arrested, arraigned in handcuffs before a judge, and charged with
> multiple manslaughter.
>
> That is, of course, an excellent way to ensure that investigators (of any
kind)
> obtain minimal useful information about any human factors at play in this
> accident. Indeed, the article reports that he has received legal advice
not to
> make a statement to police.

Hear, hear!

If some technological failure caused the accident, we need to know.

If some technology misled, confused or distracted the driver at a critical
moment, we need to know.

If some technology that should have intervened was absent, switched off, or
otherwise ineffective, we need to know.

The (seemingly) media-led frenzy to find someone to blame is an obstacle to
the prevention of future accidents. Even if the technology is not at fault,
we should still be asking what would lead an experienced, well-qualified
driver to act (or not act) in the way he did. Then we have a chance of
improving things. We won't if the 'blame game' takes priority.

Chris Dale
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chris.dale at scsc.org.uk
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