[SystemSafety] Australian System Safety Conference 2018, May 23 to 25, Melbourne

Fri Dec 8 01:22:45 CET 2017

John

I think I've got a good point. America is awash with guns, they have one mass shooting per day. Switzerland is awash with guns they have no mass shootings worth mentioning. This speaks to culture. Safety is a cultural issue. The standards and procedures are a hygiene factor only. You only achieve safety through cultural change. Without a safety culture the standards and procedures sit on the shelf and gather dust. They become useless objects.

On this list there is far too much focus on the details of this procedure or that fine point in a standard or some knowing wisdom on an accident that has already happened. I see next to nothing on what causes people to stand up for safety against powerful people who allocate capital and are ignorant of the subject and its horrible impact of lax safety procedures on the people who ride in or use our artefacts.

It is a matter of great sadness to me that we continue to learn our lessons in blood. And that every new generation has to go through this. This does not have to be the case. I personally experienced and indoctrination process that turned me into a safety zelot without having to kill anyone. What are the universities doing about this in their training of young engineers? What are companies doing about this when they employ graduates? Where are the papers on attitude engineering? What are the attitudes of mind required in a system safety engineer?

Does anyone on this list have an opinion? Preferably one that does not involve chocolate or cheese.

Les

From: SPRIGGS, John J [mailto:John.SPRIGGS at nats.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 10:48 PM
To: 'Les Chambers'
Subject: RE: [SystemSafety] Australian System Safety Conference 2018, May 23 to 25, Melbourne

Hi Les,

A ‘big data’ analyst would claim a direct correlation between good chocolate and the lack of mass shootings  ;o)

John

Oh, and Swiss Cheese too

From: systemsafety [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de] On Behalf Of Les Chambers
Sent: 06 December 2017 19:09
To: paul cleary
Cc: systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Australian System Safety Conference 2018, May 23 to 25, Melbourne

Paul

Did I hear you say,"... That's not the function of SSE, to be integrated into a design process. ...."

Can you clarify your comment.

I am one of the true believers who will tell you SSE needs to be integrated into every systems engineering process. Truly, madly , deeply integrated.

But most important of all it must be integrated into the belief systems of every Pilgrim working on a safety critical project. attitude engineering is the key.

Take the Americans. They are sweethearts but they've had one mass shooting almost every day this year. Take the Swiss. My understanding is that every male Swiss of military age has a military assault weapon in his cupboard.this allows them to raise A militia of 200,000 men in a few hours. Have you ever heard of a mass shooting in Switzerland? The difference is attitude, personal discipline , belief systems and so on. 

This is the integration we need, this is the discipline we admire.

Get with the program son.

Les

On 6 Dec 2017, at 5:55 pm, paul cleary <clearmeist at hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the clarifications Martin. I know there's much work to do in that space with the Australian sector. I will take a look and come back to you 

Regards

Paul 

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On 6 Dec 2017, at 09:29, Martin, BJ <bj.martin at novasystems.com> wrote:

Thanks Paul,

That’s probably a fair cop. The text is cut & paste  from our colourful flier, which in Australia is largely targetted at infrastructure and government agency organisational management and a systems integration industry audience. That’s who funds people’s effort to write, present and attend.

What we’re wanting to be talking about is integrating system safety better with system engineering and management decision making practices. So maybe I’d disagree with your statement below. We’re also trying to get discussion focussed on the competencies necessary to be developed to fulfil the roles of SSE needed in our environment and with the technologies being introduced. Where and how could the professional community in Australia invest to develop them?

As you may know, Australia has not had an established competency framework exercised previously (unlike the UK), except in some companies and industry pockets. Meanwhile industry and govt has increasingly bandied the terms “safety assurance” about in recent years in job advertisements, with the terms mean very different things in different applications and the skill levels available in the market are quite diverse and un-measured.

We would certainly welcome someone of your  diverse experience to attend and contribute to improving this state.

Regards,

BJ Martin
Chairman - aSCSa

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From: paul cleary [mailto:clearmeist at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2017 3:47 PM
To: Martin, BJ <bj.martin at novasystems.com>
Cc: systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Australian System Safety Conference 2018, May 23 to 25, Melbourne

Sorry I don't quite follow, your call title is too high level and opaque. Integrate system safety engineering into what, integrate with what? The design process? That's not the function of SSE, to be integrated into a design process. 

Thanks
Paul 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Dec 2017, at 02:36, Martin, BJ <bj.martin at novasystems.com> wrote:
> 
> Conference Theme:
> Strengthening and Integrating System Safety Engineering for Australia's future
> 
> The Australian System Safety Conference (ASSC) is organised by the Australian Safety Critical Systems
> Association (aSCSa), a Special Interest Group of the Australian Computer Society.
> Newsreels are full of coverage about impending introduction of autonomous vehicles and taxi services, aerial drone delivery services in your street, autonomous rail, cyber and energy security risks, artificial intelligence, intelligent transport networks and infrastructure and recently the announcement of an Australian Space Agency and growth in related space industries.
> How well skilled is industry and responsible agencies to manage the system safety challenges that come with these technology advances? How should we rise to the challenge? Straw polls on compliance to proposed ACS Safety Professional competency criteria at 2017's ASSC indicate that attendees and members did not feel overly confident of their status.
> Along-side publishable advances in system safety practices and notable project challenges - the ASSC2018 team would like to hear from Industry, project agencies and academia on needs and ideas for raising skills and strengthening safety engineering through better integrated practices.
> Safety critical areas of interest include: . Medicine and health (medical devices, e-health systems etc.). Transport. Defence and Aviation.Telecommunications. Energy. Security. Resource and process industries, and. Emergency services.
> Delegates have the option of submit two types of papers:
> 1) Refereed Papers by the conference program committee
> 2) Industry Presentations/Papers (not subject to peer review, and not published in conference proceedings, available by conference CD only)
> Abstract Submission: Fri 23rdDec17 (or contact us for negotiated involvement)
> Paper submissions can also be emailed to program at assc2018.org
> For more information, visit https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://www.ascsa.org.au/assc-submit <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://www.ascsa.org.au/assc-submit&data=02|01||ad65fa1f2ea94555ba2b08d53c30a2f9|84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa|1|0|636481101941316735&sdata=5eAeIDCBXHzWd5fqcwmrlRYEvjzBl0EAkKWIe0OEjDs=&reserved=0> &data=02|01||ad65fa1f2ea94555ba2b08d53c30a2f9|84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa|1|0|636481101941316735&sdata=5eAeIDCBXHzWd5fqcwmrlRYEvjzBl0EAkKWIe0OEjDs=&reserved=0
> 
> Program Chair - WGCDR (Dr) Derek Reinhardt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> BJ Martin
> Chairman aSCSa
> 
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