[SystemSafety] A small taste of what we're up against

[Brent Kimberley]

>> Does anybody have any lifetime data for safety critical systems (don't forget the software goes away if the product is not a success).
Unless there are data retention/aging/roll-up policies, the life of the system and/or any surviving assets -- which ever is greater?
PASS 55ISO 55000...
 

    On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:11 AM, Derek M Jones <derek at knosof.co.uk> wrote:
 

 Thierry,

> - it increases the productivity and reduces the introduction of defects in the sources.
There is no evidence for any of these claims.

Programming language researchers like to think that the language
is the root of all problems.  The solution is of course more
research (i.e., funding) to find better languages.

I practice most developers don't read the language standard
and most coding mistakes are unrelated to developer knowledge
of language semantics, e.g., they are oversights, off
by one errors or cut-and-paste slip-ups.

> - the systems we build are long lived and the original developers have gone long ago, when maintenance/upgrades have to be performed. Again, easy-to-read languages provide a great advantage.

Most systems are short lived.  It is survivorship biases that makes
people think systems are long lived.

But my data is commercial data processing.  Does anybody have any
lifetime data for safety critical systems (don't forget the software
goes away if the product is not a success).

> I would define "easy-to-read" as "as close to unambiguous English as possible".
> 
> Thierry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: systemsafety <systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> On Behalf Of Martyn Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 11:26 AM
> To: systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
> Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] A small taste of what we're up against
> 
> "Support destructive testing of software ! " ??  I'd say "Support programming languages with unambiguous semantics."
> 
> I'd like to see an ALARP argument for software written in C. Does anyone have one to share?
> 
> Martyn
> 
> 
> On 24/10/2018 08:13, Olwen Morgan wrote:
>>
>> Just a quickie:
>>
>> if, in the code below, you replace:
>>
>>
>>      PrintEvalOrder((a[0]=++i), (a[1]=++i), (a[2]=++i));
>>
>> with:
>>
>>
>>      PrintEvalOrder((++i), (++i), (++i));
>>
>> both clang and tcc tell you the order of evaluation is p1, p2, p3
>> whereas gcc says it's p3, p3, p3. ... WTF?
>>
>> Presumably, this is due to over-zealous optimisation,
>>
>>
>> Support destructive testing of software !
> 
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