[SystemSafety] New IET report

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Thu Aug 5 11:45:53 CEST 2021


Thanks for the link. 
I can't see any connection with the IETs System Safety community - has this really been published without engaging with them? (question primarily to members of that community rather than to PBL)

Phil

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From: systemsafety <systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> On Behalf Of Peter Bernard Ladkin
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Subject: [SystemSafety] New IET report

The IET Transport Policy Panel
https://www.theiet.org/impact-society/thought-leadership/expert-panels/transport-policy-panel/  has published a new report on automation and safety in air, rail, water and road transport.

https://www.theiet.org/media/8502/advancing-safety-in-transport-through-automation.pdf

Among its 6 recommendations are
(3) establish a dedicated road accident investigation organisation;
(4) develop a new standard for functional safety of programmable safety-related systems; and
(5) review cybersecurity standards for adequacy.

There is one international standard for functional safety of programmable safety-related systems (except for medical systems), IEC 61508. There are two IEC 61508 Maintenance Teams, one for general and HW and the second for SW, have some 90 members each, working on the next edition. The SW Team, for example, has been meeting regularly since December 2014 (the HW/general Team "only" since November 2017). Current projection for a CD is Autumn-Winter 2021, and then there are two years to get to a final version, so it's going to be well over 8 years and maybe 9.

The IET Policy Panel says we need a new one (Recommendation 4). We can endorse that in theory (there is much in IEC 61508 not to like, and it won't disappear). But in practice I see almost no chance that a volunteer effort will come up with an alternative. The IEC has also just put out a draft of 5479, the AI-and-functional-safety tech report. Quite a few people have put considerable effort into that.

I think we can wholheartedly endorse Recommendation 5 and also guess what the result might be. The IET/NSCS Cybersecurity-for-Safety Guidelines are out. I am going to be comparing them with IEC 63069 (which I criticised in SSS'20) for SSS'22. The IET/NSCS guidelines are way more appropriate, if only because the IET committee went to some lengths to incorporate advice from people with a technical background in practical cybersecurity (the NSCS). IEC 63069 is nominally only for ICS, but there is an effort to make it into a "horizontal" guideline, indeed into a standard rather than a technical report.

I also don't see civil aviation joining in with any such effort. They have their own rules, regulations and de facto standards-setting bodies (SAE, RTCA, EUROCAE). Also rail goes mainly through the European Agency for Railways, ERA, which works with CENELEC on the EN 5012x series for functional safety of programmable rail systems. As far as I know, the rail people are fully involved with that series, in the sense of all the safety-knowledgable people I know in rail automation. I don't see that any alternative effort would find such people to draft it.

The Panel are right to point out that rail, air and maritime have their own government-supported accident investigation processes; that road doesn't have such an entity in the UK, but it might well need one with increasing autonomy. The US of course has the NHTSA, which is and has been looking hard at the accidents possibly involving the Tesla Autopilot. The UK has the Office of Rail and Road, but it has not to date undertaken accident investigations in the way the NHTSA/NTSB has in the US.

PBL

Prof. Peter Bernard Ladkin, Bielefeld, Germany ClaireTheWhiteRabbit RIP
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