[SystemSafety] State of Things

[Christopher Papadopoulos]

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Dear All,

Don't forget those of us that generally remain quiet but read the messages
and think about what is being discussed, but also read across some of the
experiences that are shared and so benefit in many ways that perhaps are
not immediately recognised.

This group today is as relevant as ever.
btw, it is the only mailing list that I have kept. I have even stopped
following the old "news groups" that later became "google groups".

Kindest regards,

Chris


On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 08:24, Kindermann Michael <
MKindermann at de.pepperl-fuchs.com> wrote:

>
> Hello Peter!
>
> Just a recent example for the positive effects of the list: I have just
> forwarded the article by Mr. Jones to a colleague from the AI world because
> he also works on comparison between real world and models and developing
> semantics in his work. Maybe the topic is gaining momentum in the future?
>
> The message by Mr. Holloway reflecting on quarreling, arguing and debating
> was excellent, I would plead for leaving the list open just because of such
> exchange.
>
> Opening topics on 61508 updates is so frustrating that I hesitate from it.
> I think that a lot of people joined the work on the standard because they
> have a certain topic they want to promote. So there are 100 places where
> things were added, making the standard 200 pages heavier and less
> comprehensive although everybody involved knows from his / her experience
> that the main problem is misunderstandings related to the standard. I
> assume this lies in the way an update of a standard is made, everybody
> commenting on a clause or a topic and a group looking to solve the related
> issue. I an skeptical about the balance of the changes and curious about
> the birds eye view: when I have a question to solve will I find what is
> relevant for the solution?
>
> Do we need a different way of updating such standards?
>
> Have a good week everybody!
> Michael
>
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: systemsafety [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-
> > bielefeld.de] Im Auftrag von Peter Bernard Ladkin
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022 18:48
> > An: systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
> > Betreff: Re: [SystemSafety] State of Things
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> > ### EXTERNAL EMAIL ###
> >
> >
> > OK, so an update.
> >
> > I genuinely thought there wasn't very much interest. I have been rapidly
> > disabused of that view, not only by public notes on the list, but through
> > private emails. My proposal to close on 2022-12-31 came, I admit with
> some
> > embarrassment now, just off the top of my head.
> >
> > BTW, many thanks to those who have expressed their appreciation for
> > running the list!
> >
> > There is nevertheless a major issue which has been brewing. When we
> > started, I had control over both the means and the admin to get the List
> > started and keep it running. But I have been retired from the faculty
> for over
> > five years. I have no means any more to assure any continuity. If the
> faculty
> > decides to shut the List down on Monday, for whatever reason or none,
> that
> > will happen. That situation has been worrying me for, well, five years.
> But
> > interest in the List seemed to me to be winding down, so I thought I'd
> wait it
> > out until nobody cared any more...........
> >
> > There is good news - people are stepping in to assure continuity. The
> list will
> > continue in some form. I won't shut the Bielefeld portal down until we
> have a
> > transition.
> >
> > PBL
> >
> > Prof. i.R. Dr. Peter Bernard Ladkin, Bielefeld, Germany
> > Tel+msg +49 (0)521 880 7319
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