[SystemSafety] SIL ratings to be scrapped?

Fri Aug 23 12:00:02 CEST 2013

It is interesting to see this evolution in UK while at the same time the major defense operators (DCNS, Nexter, EADS, ...) in France are adopting IEC61508 straightforward and including it in their requirements, included for retrofits ...

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From: systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de] On Behalf Of SPRIGGS, John J
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:56 AM
To: 'Inge, James Mr'; 'Bielefield SafetyList'
Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] SIL ratings to be scrapped?

The SILs of the Defence Standard were different from those of IEC61508, which fact I have seen cause problems on more than one project...
I would not be at all surprised if the chattering classes take a DEF.STAN. change made almost a decade ago as an indicator of an imminent change in 61508.
From: systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de] On Behalf Of Inge, James Mr
Sent: 23 August 2013 10:41
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Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] SIL ratings to be scrapped?

It is possible that this rumour might relate to the current work underway to revise Def Stan 00-55, Requirements for Safety Related Software in Defence Systems.

A system of SILs was defined Def Stan 00-56 Issue 2, Safety Management Requirements for Defence Systems (1996), which was also used in Def Stan 00-55.  However, SILs were removed from the mandatory part of 00-56 in Issue 3 (2004) as part of the move to a goal-based approach to requirements setting.  Instead, the guidance in 00-56 Part 2 discussed setting integrity requirements in generic terms, rather than using a specific SIL scheme.  However, the guidance made it clear (in Annex C, section C.2) that SIL schemes could still be used where they were suitable.

Def Stan 00-55 was made obsolescent by the release of 00-56 Issue 3, and has not been re-issued.  However, new work is currently underway to revise both standards.  I have not seen recent drafts, but it is likely that neither standard will define a system of SILs, or require use of a specific SIL scheme.  That said, it is also likely that use of suitable standard that incorporates SILs or a similar concept could still be part of the argument to demonstrate compliance with either 00-55 or 00-56.

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          James Inge

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Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] SIL ratings to be scrapped?

I think there may have been a misunderstanding somewhere along the way here.

UK MoD implemented the use of SILs into many of their projects a few years ago and these are now being replaced by
SIRs  -  Safety Integrity Requirements  ( High / Medium / Low) . . .  Don't know if this is a pointer in any direction . . .

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From: systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de<mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de]<mailto:[mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de]> On Behalf Of Chris Hills
Sent: 21 August 2013 15:26
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Subject: [SystemSafety] SIL ratings to be scrapped?

Hi all,

I have just been taking to one of my customers who do control systems for industrial systems.  They have been told by someone they are doing a system for that SIL ratings will "soon be scrapped".    Apparently "It will be replaced by ALARP".  This seems like a completely misunderstood half a message.   Though usually on this sort of thing there is a grain of reality (if miss reported or miss represented) in there somewhere.

I know I have not been paying attention over the summer but I haven't seen anything. Is  there a move on any standard to change from SIL ratings for projects?

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     Chris

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