[SystemSafety] Off Topic

[Andreoli, Kevin (UK)]

I started the day wavering towards voting remain this evening - I am now not so sure.

Martyn wrote "if the UK leaves the EU it will seriously weaken the EU"

If we vote to leave, the only serious weakening of the EU will be in the EU budget.  Ironically the hole left will probably force the remaining countries into making the reforms the UK has called for for decades.

Kevin
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From: systemsafety [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de] On Behalf Of Martyn Thomas
Sent: 23 June 2016 09:48
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Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Off Topic


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I have voted to Remain in the EU.

The "sovereignty"  issue is mainly muddled thinking. Almost all EU laws are passed by consensus - a remarkable achievement in a union of 28 states. Almost all are open to national interpretation (consider how the UK Data Protection Act has ignored the Article 29 Working Party definition of "personally identifiable data" for a decade and more). The UK is represented in the Parliament, the Council and the Commission. And the UK is a country where its citizens are legally Subjects of the Crown and where the Upper House of parliament is not elected.

More importantly, we need EU countries to stand together to control other powerful entities - whether these are hostile countries or multinational corporations. No European country can do that on its own. So leaving the EU weakens UK sovereignty.

Most importantly, if the UK leaves the EU it will seriously weaken the EU. That would be a hostile act with consequences that require a professional hazard analysis before implementation.

Martyn

On 23/06/2016 09:21, Michael J. Pont wrote:
Morning Andrew,

"the UK is capable of standing proud"

With respect, I simply don't understand this argument.

We are an independent country.  We have control of our own destiny.

A few years ago, we chose to join a club.   We have a say in how the club operates (and - when we are at our best - we make a positive contribution to the running of this club, in my view).  We derive significant economic benefits through membership of this club.

If we decide to leave the EU, I will see it as a very sad day for citizens of the UK (and certainly nothing to be proud of).

All the best,

Michael.


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