[SystemSafety] Safety Culture redux (David Green)

[Dick Selwood]

Two points

1) You can get away with a project schedule with 30-40% of the time 
"Testing and debugging". Are you likely to get away with "Testing and 
removing errors introduced by the person writing the code"?

2) last summer my local library e-mailed everyone on their list with an 
invitation to spend time in the summer holidays "Teaching kids to code". 
"You need no nothing about computers - we will teach you all you need in 
our one day training session."




On 23/02/2018 10:01, Steve Tockey wrote:
>
> “Coding camps” scare the crap out of me. . .
>
>
> 发自我的 iPad
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:14 AM, Chris Hills <safetyyork at phaedsys.com 
> <mailto:safetyyork at phaedsys.com>> wrote:
>
>> OFF TOPIC RANT (not had my coffee yet!)
>>
>> On this very subject… both of them “connotations of words” and 
>> “coding”   I was at a presentation on how to Save the World by 
>> teaching “coding” to all children because the UK needed “coders”  to 
>> create the Brave New World… Apparently being above “to code” was as 
>> important as reading and breathing!!!
>>
>> All the way through the Q&A I kept talking about “code-monkeys”  
>> (being deliberately provocative) and the presenter said I was 
>> “insulting” by using that label
>>
>> I pointed out that teaching someone  “coding”   in the way he was 
>>  suggesting did not make them a “programmer” let alone a “Software 
>> Engineer”.  Apparently all you need for “programming” is to be able 
>> “to code” the rest is just “admin” and “management”   SO you can see 
>> that not so much the words but the connotations and concepts are 
>> rather powerful if imprecise. We are talking about culture not 
>> engineering reports. Try addressing a female colleagues as “luv”  or 
>> your director as “mate” and see how powerful words are.
>>
>> Incidentally If the coders wanted to find out about design methods 
>> and processes “they could google them” but the presenter had had no 
>> idea what they would google (other than “agile”) and he was one of 
>> the coding teachers!
>>
>> One day I will prompt Andrew to present the “A model” process for 
>> developing code….  (in the next MISRA press release we discussed? )
>>
>> I also pointed out that people can use computers without needing to 
>> “code” just as much as 98% of car drivers never open the hood let 
>> alone service their cars these days.  (and 99% of people make up 
>> statistics on the spot)
>>
>> END RANT.
>>
>> *From:*systemsafety 
>> [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de] *On 
>> Behalf Of *Andrew Banks
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 5:36 AM
>> *To:* 'Todd Carpenter'; systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de 
>> <mailto:systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de>
>> *Subject:* Re: [SystemSafety] Safety Culture redux (David Green)
>>
>> Todd wrote:
>>
>> >> Guess how difficult it is now to bring up Millenials in that same 
>> culture?
>> >> Especially when the majority of "computer scientists" are merely 
>> programmers,
>> >> and don't have either safety or security as part of their required 
>> training?
>>
>> Please do not get me started on the current vogue of teaching 
>> “Coding” in schools… feature drag and drop, with no specification 
>>  and no design – where each assignment starts with a blank file L
>>
>> A
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