[SystemSafety] Safety Culture redux (David Green)

[Nick Tudor]

"Hood" ----> "Bonnet"....?  Just getting the terminology right.... :-)

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On 23 February 2018 at 09:14, Chris Hills <safetyyork at phaedsys.com> wrote:

> OFF TOPIC RANT (not had my coffee yet!)
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> On this very subject… both of them “connotations of words” and “coding”
> I was at a presentation on how to Save the World by teaching “coding” to
> all children because the UK needed “coders”  to create the Brave New World…
> Apparently being above “to code” was as important as reading and
> breathing!!!
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> All the way through the Q&A I kept talking about “code-monkeys”  (being
> deliberately provocative) and the presenter said I was “insulting” by using
> that label
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> I pointed out that teaching someone  “coding”   in the way he was
>  suggesting did not make them a “programmer” let alone a “Software
> Engineer”.  Apparently all you need for “programming” is to be able “to
> code” the rest is just “admin” and “management”   SO you can see that not
> so much the words but the connotations and concepts are rather powerful if
> imprecise. We are talking about culture not engineering reports. Try
> addressing a female colleagues as “luv”  or your director as “mate” and see
> how powerful words are.
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> Incidentally If the coders wanted to find out about design methods and
> processes “they could google them” but the presenter had had no idea what
> they would google (other than “agile”) and he was one of the coding
> teachers!
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> One day I will prompt Andrew to present the “A model” process for
> developing code….  (in the next MISRA press release we discussed? )
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> I also pointed out that people can use computers without needing to “code”
> just as much as 98% of car drivers never open the hood let alone service
> their cars these days.  (and 99% of people make up statistics on the spot)
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> END RANT.
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> *From:* systemsafety [mailto:systemsafety-bounces@
> lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Banks
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 5:36 AM
> *To:* 'Todd Carpenter'; systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
> *Subject:* Re: [SystemSafety] Safety Culture redux (David Green)
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> Todd wrote:
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> >> Guess how difficult it is now to bring up Millenials in that same
> culture?
> >> Especially when the majority of "computer scientists" are merely
> programmers,
> >> and don't have either safety or security as part of their required
> training?
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> Please do not get me started on the current vogue of teaching “Coding” in
> schools… feature drag and drop, with no specification  and no design –
> where each assignment starts with a blank file L
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