[SystemSafety] C++ and Pointers

[Peter Bishop]

I can only agree with Olwen's original rant.
Pointers make the software much harder to assess/statically analyse.

Regards

Peter

On 05/07/2019 08:59, Grazebrook, Alvery AN wrote:
> Entertaining, but clearly a mis-quote out of context. Derek was making some (valid) comments about measuring the characteristics of buffer-overflow attacks, and then finished with:
> " I cannot think of any research looking at this.  Pointers welcome."
>
> Clearly not the endorsement of C++ programming that Olwen is accusing him of. 
>
> Good opportunistic rant though!
>
> Cheers,
> 	Alvery
>
> ** opinions are my own, not necessarily those of my employer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: systemsafety [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de] On Behalf Of Olwen Morgan
> Sent: 04 July 2019 19:45
> To: systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
> Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] C++ and Pointers
>
>
> On 06/06/2019 17:18, Derek M Jones wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Pointers welcome.
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
> No, pointers are *unwelcome* owing to the complexity of aliasing and overflow problems they create. You can create efficient and secure large-scale services very easily with applicative/concurrent languages like Erlang.
>
> Software engineers who write critical systems in C++ should be sent to gulags to do more useful work.
>
>
> How long does one have to keep on saying these things before the 
> lumpen-engineeriate finally gets it?
>
> Yawn,
>
> Olwen
>
>
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